I was stood in the middle of the forest and I am sure I heard somebody whisper.

And?

I don’t know…perhaps I did...... perhaps I didn’t.

Go on?

Well I understand sometimes if you spend time on your own….words can slip between being inside and outside…sometimes words from songs, its stupid , you know…….but this was different.

Ok

With all the ice in the trees, so cold, the trees they chatter all the time.

You heard this in English or Russian?

I don’t know…..now you ask I have no idea……………..I just heard it and thought yes I understand…… then I thought should I say something.

Do you know where you were in the forest?

No…..but I’m sure I could find it again.

Do you know what is buried under all that snow?

No?

Let nothing be changed and all be different.

I’m lost now….again please.

Build your work on white, stillness and on silence……it is possible.
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I am at war with words.
Good…..but they don’t have to be your enemy….you know you don’t have to fight them.
No it is a fight….
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I didn’t see that at all.

What was it then?

I don’t know how it translates, something like an interval….how do you say this?

Interval?

Yes interval?

You mean…….. something between something else?

Again?

Look there are 5 of us here, we are sat talking together, if one of us stops talking there is an interval between when we stop and start to talk again…is this what you mean.

No absolutely not.

Ok…c’om on………….. what?

What are you 2 talking about?

Later please…………..I’m sorry I don’t mean that in a bad way.

I mean it as….let me try…….more like a symbol.

A symbol?

Yes……something that can be….or exist….between consciousness and…how do you say…..primitive reactions.

Primitive reactions!!

Yes…of both basic and higher knowledge……an interval…..a kind of no-man’s land at the centre of the human.

Hang on…..……..I can’t catch this……no-man’s!! is this for men?

Don’t be stupid I mean human’s…If you have a fusion between 2 attitudes that fight each other…….a passionate surrender of the self that leads to a complete identification with the present……cool and detached contemplation of things.

Ok….perhaps you are talking about how this might lead to a position or attitude that could direct the mind.

You make pictures surely you understand how you need to organise or direct your thinking.

I’m getting there.

You know….everybody is at all times schizophrenic….so perhaps memory or memory images are both prior and primitive….but this continues on the edges.

Can you 2 wake up.

No please it is important…..how are we going to proceed if we don’t try and wrestle with this.

Look you 2 are talking to much…tell us a joke?

What is green and smells of pork?

At the edges you said?

Yes…at both the primitive or basic stage and the immediate stage, memory images are consciously stored in pictures or can be constructed in pictures…we find the impression….or a mode of thought.

The joke go on what is it……..and do you want any more tea.

In your case I understand that if you have a difficulty with words, then perhaps pictures might be a good model or place to work.

Yep…………ghosts or ghost pictures.

I understand that pictures are the social organs of culture, they direct us towards things. It is no different for me and icons are like maps for the mind. Then perhaps your use of the word engram might be the spiritual fight or way of breaking open this spiritual tension. Gathering together energetic tensions to animate memory and if you say so ghosts.

I would say yes….also wonder is a good word.

Look…you have a problem with your culture or your cultural tradition so use your wonder to help your schizophrenia.

It is a secret need of our age I think.

Perhaps…………I don’t have this though.

We are going...... do you want to come with us?……we are meeting the evening, going outside, c’on get outside.

Ok.

I’m staying.